implying that you can't afk combat missions in a drone boat...

run a POS

Oh, my god. You're not trolling, you just really are that clueless.

The BPOs never touch the POS.

Do you realize you just made your POS a target?

Seriously??
Scientific networking I believe it is, allows you to keep your BPO's in a corp hanger in a station while performing research on them at a POS in the same system. No BPO's in the POS=No risk

You really don't PvP that much do you? Or if you do I can say you're doing it wrong.

Nobody claims that Suicide Ganking is Elite PvP, as shooting at people who have chosen to intentionally disarmed themselves is pretty easy. That ease is because those people have chosen not to arm themselves.

Who's forcing you to fly a Hulk? You Choose to fly a Hulk.

1. You can always buy materials from the market.

2. If you feel you must mine, nothing is forcing you to mine in a Hulk.

Again, how is someone forcing you to mine, and if you can show that someone's forcing you to mine, how are they forcing you to use a Hulk?

Maybe 2-4 missions. It's been a while, but that's about how many missions it takes to make 70m isk. Then go to Jita and buy the minerals and make the BC.

Again, How is anyone forcing you to Mine in a Hulk?

But nobody's forcing you to use them.

You can mine in any ship that has a Drone Bay or a Turret slot.

Why do you manufacture? If it's not for ISK (or to save yourself the impression of spending ISK buying it off the market), then why does it matter how quickly it gets built?

Still don't see anyone forcing you to use that Hulk.

For what purpose do you manufacture? Your earlier comment about profit suggests that you do it for ISK.

What do you do with the manufactured finished product?

Ok, then why do you care how fast your hangar fills up?

Where did I say you're not allowed to sell it?

Still don't see anyone forcing you to use that Hulk.

If you don't mine for income, why do you care how fast you mine?

Where did I say that?

Anyway, this distracts from my question, who is forcing you to fly a Hulk? And, if (as you claim) you're not mining for an income, why does it matter how fast you collect materials?

How is the tank of a Procurer relevant in any way? How is anyone forcing you to mine in a Hulk?

You want a Tanky mining ship? Here's a mining ship with a nice, beefy tank:

Who is forcing you to mine? And is that the same person forcing you to use a Hulk?

You seem to be confusing your free choice to mine with someone forcing you to do so.

That said, I don't see how this is at all relevant to your refusal to explain who's forcing you to mine and why they also want you in a Hulk.

Oh, and where did I say:

During that 5 months running missions for 6 hours a day, you will, conservatively, make 45 Billion ISK. Surely you can spend some of that on 700m Isk worth of Trit from Jita.

You still haven't shown how anyone's forcing you to mine, let alone forcing you to use a Hulk.

Then you're not counting something or you're doing something silly like going back to loot and salvage... Oh, wait...

who's forcing you to mine, let alone forcing you to use a Hulk?

I'm just pointing out that miners are choosing to mine, and they are choosing to do so in undefended ships.

May I respectfully suggest you refrain from using your mining ship with very weak EHP and instead utilize a sturdier non-mining ship with substantially strong EHP to mine ore to get your ISK?

You claim to mine in a Damnation. You're clearly happy with that. When did Rokhs enter this line of discussion?

Again, you've claimed to mine in a Damnation. What does the Rokh have anything to do with this?

Ah, so you lied again. Why do you keep doing that?

The Rokh is an option. The Hulk is an option. The Covetor is an option. The Rifter is an option.

All of these are options you can choose depending on your personal preferences. All of them have advantages and disadvantages. All of them work.

The Damnation is also an option. One of its advantages is that it's not worthwhile to gank under most circumstances.

And once again, nobody's calling suicide ganking "elite PvP" except you and other miners. Straw Men don't stand up that well. Luckily, yours are really easy to spot.

profit's better when ganking hulks.

Yes, the famed Tech moon fields of SniggWaffe. By the way, read the latest Dev Blog.

Anyway, Why do you care? You mine in a Damnation

Anyway, if the OTEC hold on moons bothers you, you're free to take the moons from them.

Who ever said it was? Most things in life that are worth doing are hard.

If you don't want to take the moons from them, you can feel free not to. If you do want to, it is certainly possible (after all, the last major Tech holding coalition died, why not this one).

"I don't want them to have the toy, but I'm too lazy to do anything about it" is not a reasonable position.

Oh, and as always, your numbers are laughably wrong.

If your enemies can field 14,000 people united in one purpose at the same time, they've put in a lot of work to make it happen. Why should it be easy to take their stuff away if they're willing to get 14,000 people (the amount of people in a real military Division) working together at the same time, as you claim?

That leaves 300 THOUSAND accounts for you to recruit from. That's some 85% of the population up for you to lead.

Because people aren't online 24/7. Neither are CFC/OTEC members.

There are 360k Subs. PCU is like 40k. Ergo, people aren't online 24/7

Prove that the average Eve player has 5 Subscriptions.

I did. Unless the average Eve Player has 9 accounts, a PCU of 40k for 360k means some people are not online all the time (assuming that the PCU is also the minimum number of people online).

Looking at a chunk of time after DT, the number of people online is around 20k. If every person is online 24/7 as you claim, then the minimum CU count is the total number of people, the number of required average accounts is 18.

hence you are comparing the 5th most lucrative ore

no.